Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language identifiers for sign languages (incl. sgn) vs. attribute for indicating the representation of an individual language in "sign language modality"

David Starner <prosfilaes@gmail.com> Sun, 01 December 2019 01:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language identifiers for sign languages (incl. sgn) vs. attribute for indicating the representation of an individual language in "sign language modality"
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On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 3:16 PM Phake Nick <c933103@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Would it be correct to compare different methods of signing English words
> to different methods of writing Chinese words with latin letters (aka
> various romanization methods)?
>

>From my limited reading, I'd say no. That might be a good analogy for
various fingerspelling systems, but replacing English words with ASL signs
versus BSL signs plus different grammatical markers strikes me as closer to
a whole new, fairly complex, script.

>