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Re: [Ietf-languages] From Arabic to Latin

Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> Tue, 16 January 2024 22:33 UTC

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From: Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>
To: Hugh Paterson III <sil.linguist@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] From Arabic to Latin
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Hugh Paterson III wrote:

> Having these all in one place makes sense. Would there be any reason
> to:
>
> 1. Depreciate the sub tags in favor of CLDR inclusion.

Not every BCP 47 processor understands extensions. The variants that have already been registered and which are now duplicated by Extension T subtags are probably, by definition, the lowest-hanging fruit. It might not be good to limit their use to extension-aware processors, and might not be worth our time to go through the process of deprecating them.

> 2. Move approved entities which follow the -t into the IANA managed
> list?

Absolutely not. The whole point of extensions is that their specification and list of subtags are managed independently of the LSR.

BCP 47 and the Registry have been a thing since 2005; they have an installed base. As with the Unicode Standard, it would be nice if everything were implemented consistently, but may not be practical or kind to our installed base.

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