Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter
SM <sm@resistor.net> Fri, 23 January 2009 13:04 UTC
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:59:26 -0800
To: John C Klensin <john+smtp@jck.com>
From: SM <sm@resistor.net>
Subject: Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter
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At 22:46 22-01-2009, John C Klensin wrote: >However, I had a discussion early this week with someone >interested in the slightly-fuzzy text about arguments to HELO >and/or EHLO and their relationship to spam-fighting. The >discussion leads to a question, especially since 5321bis is our >first opportunity to really do something significant. > >Question: Is it time to formally deprecate 821 and, in >particular, the main feature that distinguishes it: the use of >HELO by SMTP clients? We would still need to require that SMTP >servers accept it, but we would tell full-capability clients >(including the client side of relays and gateways) that HELO is >obsolete. One corollary of this is that we'd be telling >low-capability clients, particularly those that are part of MUA >systems, that they should be talking to Submit ports, not SMTP >ones. RFC 2821 obsoletes RFC 821. There is a reference to RFC 821 in RFC 2821 and RFC 5321 for some features not in significant use today. The service extension model has been around for over seven years and the major MTAs have implemented RFC 2821. RFC 2821 specifies that servers MUST support the EHLO command even if they do not implement any specific extensions and clients SHOULD preferentially utilize EHLO rather than HELO with a fallback to HELO. I don't know how much work it would be to formally depreciate RFC 821. It seems the right time to look into it. I still see traffic from SMTP clients which use HELO. I don't have a strong view about whether HELO should be obsoleted or not. Regards, -sm
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter David MacQuigg
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Hector Santos
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Hector Santos
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Hector Santos
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Mark Andrews
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter SM
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin
- Re: Submission identifiers John Leslie
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Hector Santos
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alex van den Bogaerdt
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Tony Finch
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Tony Finch
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Submission identifiers Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: Submission identifiers John C Klensin
- Re: Submission identifiers Steve Atkins
- Re: Submission identifiers David MacQuigg
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Tony Finch
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Jeff Macdonald
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Jeff Macdonald
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter SM
- Re: Submission identifiers Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: Submission identifiers John Leslie
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Steve Atkins
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter David MacQuigg
- Re: Submission identifiers John C Klensin
- Re: Submission identifiers Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Submission identifiers Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Submission identifiers SM
- Re: Submission identifiers David MacQuigg
- Re: Submission identifiers John C Klensin
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin
- Re: Submission identifiers Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alex van den Bogaerdt
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter David MacQuigg
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin
- Submission identifiers (was: Re: RFC 5321bis / 28… John C Klensin
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter David MacQuigg
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter SM
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Matti Aarnio
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Matti Aarnio
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Alessandro Vesely
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Paul Smith
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: RFC 5321bis / 2821ter Willie Gillespie
- RFC 5321bis / 2821ter John C Klensin