Re: the iab & net neutrality
Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> Sat, 25 March 2006 02:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: the iab & net neutrality
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To quote from the Carpenter draft:... "One approach to resolving the current crisis in Internet performance is to institute an efficient system of inter-carrier settlements." Progress is often hard when you are heading in off in the weeds. Try http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2005-01/interconn.html as an alternative view of the ISP settlement world. regards, Geoff At 12:12 PM 25/03/2006, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >I know I'm going to regret saying this, but we haven't made much progress >in ten years. >http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-carpenter-metrics-00.txt >I got a lot of interest in that draft, none of which came from >ISPs... > > Brian > >Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: >>I think that people need to consider that maybe there might be advantages to >>non-flat rate, non-consumer pays charging models. >>I don't expect the attempted shakedown of Google to work and there are >>certainly tactics that they could use to preclude any desire on the part of >>the carriers to do any such thing. >> >>A much more interesting case would be delivery of video on demand. This is >>surely what the proponents of the sender pays scheme are really thinking >>about. >>If I am going to send a copy of a $200 million action movie to a viewer I am >>going to expect to be paid for that. The viewer is going to expect a high >>quality viewing experience. The problem is that the bandwidth they subscribe >>to for Web browsing purposes may not be great enough to support that viewing >>experience. >>If I am charging $8 for a movie I might well be willing to pay $0.50 to the >>carrier as a distribution fee in exchange for access to high bandwith pipe >>for an interval. >> >>The point here is that higher bandwidth costs more to provide. If the >>bandwidth is provided to every subscriber all the time the costs are much >>greater than providing the ultra-high speed to a small pool of subscribers >>who need it for a limited time and purpose. If the high bandwidth is added >>to the general pool then it will be diluted by contention and the folk >>running file sharing &ct. > > >_______________________________________________ >Ietf mailing list >Ietf@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- the iab & net neutrality Tony Hain
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: the iab & net neutrality John C Klensin
- RE: the iab & net neutrality Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: the iab & net neutrality JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Scott Bradner
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Brian E Carpenter
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Scott W Brim
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Geoff Huston
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Patrik Fältström
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Brian E Carpenter
- Re: the iab & net neutrality John C Klensin
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Jeffrey I. Schiller
- Re: the iab & net neutrality John C Klensin
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Geoff Huston
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Spencer Dawkins
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Melinda Shore
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Spencer Dawkins
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Melinda Shore
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Spencer Dawkins
- RE: the iab & net neutrality Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Leslie Daigle
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: the iab & net neutrality David R Oran