Re: the iab & net neutrality
Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> Sat, 25 March 2006 01:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: the iab & net neutrality
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I know I'm going to regret saying this, but we haven't made much progress in ten years. http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-carpenter-metrics-00.txt I got a lot of interest in that draft, none of which came from ISPs... Brian Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > I think that people need to consider that maybe there might be advantages to > non-flat rate, non-consumer pays charging models. > > I don't expect the attempted shakedown of Google to work and there are > certainly tactics that they could use to preclude any desire on the part of > the carriers to do any such thing. > > > A much more interesting case would be delivery of video on demand. This is > surely what the proponents of the sender pays scheme are really thinking > about. > > If I am going to send a copy of a $200 million action movie to a viewer I am > going to expect to be paid for that. The viewer is going to expect a high > quality viewing experience. The problem is that the bandwidth they subscribe > to for Web browsing purposes may not be great enough to support that viewing > experience. > > If I am charging $8 for a movie I might well be willing to pay $0.50 to the > carrier as a distribution fee in exchange for access to high bandwith pipe > for an interval. > > > The point here is that higher bandwidth costs more to provide. If the > bandwidth is provided to every subscriber all the time the costs are much > greater than providing the ultra-high speed to a small pool of subscribers > who need it for a limited time and purpose. If the high bandwidth is added > to the general pool then it will be diluted by contention and the folk > running file sharing &ct. > > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- the iab & net neutrality Tony Hain
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: the iab & net neutrality John C Klensin
- RE: the iab & net neutrality Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: the iab & net neutrality JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Scott Bradner
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Brian E Carpenter
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Scott W Brim
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Geoff Huston
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Patrik Fältström
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Brian E Carpenter
- Re: the iab & net neutrality John C Klensin
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Jeffrey I. Schiller
- Re: the iab & net neutrality John C Klensin
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Geoff Huston
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Spencer Dawkins
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Melinda Shore
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Spencer Dawkins
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Melinda Shore
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Spencer Dawkins
- RE: the iab & net neutrality Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Leslie Daigle
- Re: the iab & net neutrality Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: the iab & net neutrality David R Oran