Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard
Mark Crispin <mrc@Washington.EDU> Tue, 04 March 2008 16:44 UTC
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:44:35 -0800
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Washington.EDU>
To: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>
Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> (In some >> clients, the sorted list is scrolled to whichever message was previously >> selected, so it's a fast way of finding other messages by the same >> person). > Yea, I do this frequently in Thunderbird. As do I. Note that an address sort that collates all "mrc" messages together is more likely to do the right thing that one that collates by name and has to figure out that "Mark Crispin", "Mark R. Crispin", "Crispin, Mark", "M Crispin", "Mr. Mark Crispin", "IMAP Support", etc. are all the same. > I frequently sort by subject, because many clients still don't support proper > threading (threads can become broken due to lack of the References header). I also sort by Subject (although more commonly ORDERSUBJECT threading than direct SUBJECT sorting) in cases where the thread tree has become so complex that it has lost value. A classic example is when a new thread is started by replying to a message in a thread that has little or no relationship to the thread. Think USENET. > I also sort by IMAP flags (i.e. I want to see all important messages), size > and rarely by date. Usually for flags I would do a filter rather than a SORT, but it seems reasonable to me to add such a thing in the first round of extensions. Date sorting seems to be pretty common with our users. Some people who prefer their mail "in order" use it instead of sequence order in the mailbox (no sort) which tends to be an INTERNALDATE sort. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Cyrus Daboo
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Dan Karp
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Dan Karp
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Timo Sirainen
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Dan Karp
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Dan Karp
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Dan Karp
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Dave Cridland
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Cyrus Daboo
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET … Mark Crispin