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Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard

Mark Crispin <MRC@Washington.EDU> Wed, 05 March 2008 00:19 UTC

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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:00:25 -0800
From: Mark Crispin <MRC@Washington.EDU>
To: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-imapext-sort (INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS) to Proposed Standard
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>> The actual correct collation, assuming(!) surname-first collation and
>> Latin character ordering(!!), is:
>> due to where the surname is located in various cultures.
> Is it a good idea to sort on the ordering of the sender's culture? If
> the ordering is to be useful for the human user, it should be
> according the receiver's culture, no?

My answer to this question is "yes to all of the above".

That is, a truly correct collation uses knowledge of both the sender's 
culture *AND* the receiver's culture; and the ways that these interact are 
not necessarily obvious.

-- Mark --

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