Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, onwards
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 24 May 2016 06:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, onwards
To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>, Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>
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On 24/05/16 07:43, Ted Hardie wrote: > (Forgive the top posting--airport thumb typing). > > Below you say that you expect the discussion of long term principles to go > to mtgvenue@ietf.org. For the short term IETF 100 discussion, I didn't see > an explicit pointer for where to participate. Based on traffic to date, I > expect that to stay on ietf@ietf.org. Does that match what the IAOC > expects? I've a similar question: there is also ongoing discussion of changing the default policy for how the IAOC handle business in general, and not just associated with meeting venues. I assume that ought also remain on ietf@ietf.org but be good to get the IAOC's take on that too when you answer the above. Cheers, S. > > thanks, > > Ted > > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> > wrote: > >> >> (Not speaking for the IAOC, which does owe Ted a response, but offering >> some of my own perspective of the meta issues in this discussion). >> >> Again, I see 2 burning issues here: >> >> 1/ what do we want to consider appropriate meeting sites going forward, and >> >> 2/ what to do with IETF 100/Singapore >> >> We’re separating these two because the second has to get decided pretty >> much instantly, and in separating them we have to say that the outcome on >> “2/“ has to be a one-off, and might not be suitable under updated policies >> after we settle out “1/“. >> >> Spelling it out a little bit: >> >> What the IAOC does is make site selections based on (our understanding of) >> the community’s requirements. To date, our understanding has been that we >> should find sites that allow the greatest proportion of our participants to >> attend the meeting and get the work done. We expect that people make >> their own choices about attending or not attending a meeting, and recognize >> that is gated on personal choices and beliefs. >> >> If the IETF community wants to shift the focus of requirements and make >> requirements include other things — such as suitability for family >> attendance, selecting for absence of laws or other policies that make the >> experience more difficult or uncomfortable for some part of our community — >> that’s fine as long as its a consensus position. And, the IAOC needs to >> have the resultant requirements spelled out[1]. I argue that discussion >> should take place on the aforementioned mtgvenue@ietf.org mailing list, >> where the meeting venue selection requirements document is being discussed. >> >> I don’t believe we can have that discussion quickly, with the attention to >> detail that it needs in order to ensure an outcome that fits everyone >> (especially including those who have been more comfortable suffering in >> silence than putting their challenges out for discussion). >> >> And, we need to make a decision about IETF 100 quickly. >> >> So, to be clear, whatever we decided to do with Singapore for IETF 100 >> will NOT be a statement about whether we ever meet in Singapore again, or >> never meet in Singapore again (depending on which way the decision goes). >> >> Leslie. >> >> >> [1] Not all requirements are necessarily feasibly implemented, and/or >> there are cost implications, but we can all have that discussion as part of >> the mtgvenue dialog. >> >> >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Leslie Daigle >> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises LLC >> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >
- A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, o… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Randy Presuhn
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Alissa Cooper
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Stephen Farrell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ted Hardie
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Stephen Farrell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Jari Arkko
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Adam Roach
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Adam Roach
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michael Richardson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ben Campbell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… George Michaelson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Randy Bush
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… John C Klensin
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michael Richardson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Sandoche Balakrichenan
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michal Krsek