RE: Reviving watersprings.org.

[Elwyn Davies <[e-mail]>]

Hi.

I also quite liked the watersprings interface and was saddened by its
demise.  However, Henrik's draft searching scheme does most of what I
need and the interface at tools.ietf.org/html/draft... gives you the
access to all the versions and output renderings.

The only thing lacking is the ability to have a nicely formatted and
resonably compact list of all the drafts ever made starting with a given
letter.  Useful for idle browsing and finding drafts you can't quite
remember the title or authors of.

Warren: If you have time and enthusiasm I'd be inclined to see if a
couple of extra screens could be added to what we have already rather
than reimplementating a separate Watersprings clone since the back end
is already in place.

I don't think that putting back what Watersprings had exactly would give
you any more ancient history.  I seem to remember that it didn't have
drafts earlier than about 1995, but it's a long time since I checked
that ;-). I did when I was looking for Nimrod routing history and other
stuff for the routing history RFC.

The current tool has a smattering of moderately ancient history already:

Some of the suggestions for IPng are there:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-crocker-ip-encaps-01
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deering-sip-00
(The REAL SIP!)

but I suspect the list is incomplete - however unless the file archives 
are lurking in some server, I don't know how we would know (did
ietf-announce exist in those days and would it help?)

Regards,
Elwyn



On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 19:15 +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> Interesting, Warren.
> 
> I used to use waterspring and still have an annoying bookmark that autocompletes when I start to type www.wat...
> 
> At the time that waterspring was set up we didn't archive old versions of I-Ds and once an I-D had expired it disappeared (related issues, but separately annoying). That is no longer the case, so the (UI aside) the main residual value would be retrieving the archive of old I-Ds and I am not so sure how useful that is, but archivists and IPR lawyers might comment).
> 
> Adrian
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ietf [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari
> > Sent: 02 July 2014 19:09
> > To: [e-mail] Disgust
> > Subject: Reviving watersprings.org.
> > 
> > Hi there all,
> > 
> > A number of years ago there was a site called watersprings.org which
> > archived Internet Drafts and RFCs and provided some interesting
> > linking between them.
> > I never used it, but apparently a number of folk really liked the
> > interface / etc.
> > 
> > The site was hosted in Japan and the creator shut it down to conserve
> > power after the 2011 tsunami. I provided him a VM (on a machine that
> > nLayer / Richard Steenbergen hosts for me), and we started migrating
> > over to it. Unfortunately, he no longer has the time / resources to
> > run the site, and we never finished the migration / the scripts
> > haven't run since then.
> > 
> > Anyway, I've offered to take over maintaining the VM, try figure out
> > how it all works, upgrade it, finish the migration, etc.
> > Before spending the time on this though, I figured I should check if
> > folk still want it / think that it will be a useful resource. The time
> > investment will be fairly significnat, but happy to do it if folk will
> > use it...
>