Re: Reviving watersprings.org.

["Fred Baker (fred)" <[e-mail]>]

The oldest draft on rsync.tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpsnmp-overipx-00.txt, contains no ISOC *or* IETF copyright boilerplate.

On Jul 17, 2014, at 6:16 AM, Fred Baker (fred) <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Thanks.
> 
> BTW, it turns out that the IETF *has* a comparable rsync site. One syncs
> 	rsync -avz rsync.tools.ietf.org::tools.id ./id
> rather than
> 	rsync -avz [—delete] ietf.org::internet-drafts
> I had been using the latter.
> 
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/tools/trac/wiki/DataSources
> 
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Warren Kumari <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Elwyn Davies <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I also quite liked the watersprings interface and was saddened by its
>>> demise.  However, Henrik's draft searching scheme does most of what I
>>> need and the interface at tools.ietf.org/html/draft... gives you the
>>> access to all the versions and output renderings.
>>> 
>>> The only thing lacking is the ability to have a nicely formatted and
>>> resonably compact list of all the drafts ever made starting with a given
>>> letter.  Useful for idle browsing and finding drafts you can't quite
>>> remember the title or authors of.
>> 
>> Well, I finally had a chance to poke at this -- I moved everything
>> over to a new VM and fixed it there (instead of poking at the existing
>> one). I never really used the original one, so I'm not sure if I fixed
>> / reimplemented all the features.
>> 
>> I also updated some things - the original one was doing some fancy FTP
>> parsing, which I couldn't really see the point of, so I replaced it
>> with rsync. Oh, this also didn't update since ~2011, will see if I can
>> backfill sometime...
>> 
>> Anyway, if folk would like to see the new version, it is at
>> http://watersprings.snozzages.com -- once if finished futzing with it
>> I'll change the DNS.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Warren: If you have time and enthusiasm I'd be inclined to see if a
>>> couple of extra screens could be added to what we have already rather
>>> than reimplementating a separate Watersprings clone since the back end
>>> is already in place.
>> 
>> This was easier, although it did mean relearning Perl -- will look at
>> reimplementing on the IETF site sometime.
>> 
>> 
>> W
>>> 
>>> I don't think that putting back what Watersprings had exactly would give
>>> you any more ancient history.  I seem to remember that it didn't have
>>> drafts earlier than about 1995, but it's a long time since I checked
>>> that ;-). I did when I was looking for Nimrod routing history and other
>>> stuff for the routing history RFC.
>>> 
>>> The current tool has a smattering of moderately ancient history already:
>>> 
>>> Some of the suggestions for IPng are there:
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-crocker-ip-encaps-01
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deering-sip-00
>>> (The REAL SIP!)
>>> 
>>> but I suspect the list is incomplete - however unless the file archives
>>> are lurking in some server, I don't know how we would know (did
>>> ietf-announce exist in those days and would it help?)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Elwyn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 19:15 +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>>>> Interesting, Warren.
>>>> 
>>>> I used to use waterspring and still have an annoying bookmark that autocompletes when I start to type www.wat...
>>>> 
>>>> At the time that waterspring was set up we didn't archive old versions of I-Ds and once an I-D had expired it disappeared (related issues, but separately annoying). That is no longer the case, so the (UI aside) the main residual value would be retrieving the archive of old I-Ds and I am not so sure how useful that is, but archivists and IPR lawyers might comment).
>>>> 
>>>> Adrian
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ietf [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari
>>>>> Sent: 02 July 2014 19:09
>>>>> To: [e-mail] Disgust
>>>>> Subject: Reviving watersprings.org.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A number of years ago there was a site called watersprings.org which
>>>>> archived Internet Drafts and RFCs and provided some interesting
>>>>> linking between them.
>>>>> I never used it, but apparently a number of folk really liked the
>>>>> interface / etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The site was hosted in Japan and the creator shut it down to conserve
>>>>> power after the 2011 tsunami. I provided him a VM (on a machine that
>>>>> nLayer / Richard Steenbergen hosts for me), and we started migrating
>>>>> over to it. Unfortunately, he no longer has the time / resources to
>>>>> run the site, and we never finished the migration / the scripts
>>>>> haven't run since then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, I've offered to take over maintaining the VM, try figure out
>>>>> how it all works, upgrade it, finish the migration, etc.
>>>>> Before spending the time on this though, I figured I should check if
>>>>> folk still want it / think that it will be a useful resource. The time
>>>>> investment will be fairly significnat, but happy to do it if folk will
>>>>> use it...
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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