Re: Reviving watersprings.org.

["Fred Baker (fred)" <[e-mail]>]

Thanks.

BTW, it turns out that the IETF *has* a comparable rsync site. One syncs
	rsync -avz rsync.tools.ietf.org::tools.id ./id
rather than
	rsync -avz [—delete] ietf.org::internet-drafts
I had been using the latter.

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/tools/trac/wiki/DataSources

On Jul 16, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Warren Kumari <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Elwyn Davies <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I also quite liked the watersprings interface and was saddened by its
>> demise.  However, Henrik's draft searching scheme does most of what I
>> need and the interface at tools.ietf.org/html/draft... gives you the
>> access to all the versions and output renderings.
>> 
>> The only thing lacking is the ability to have a nicely formatted and
>> resonably compact list of all the drafts ever made starting with a given
>> letter.  Useful for idle browsing and finding drafts you can't quite
>> remember the title or authors of.
> 
> Well, I finally had a chance to poke at this -- I moved everything
> over to a new VM and fixed it there (instead of poking at the existing
> one). I never really used the original one, so I'm not sure if I fixed
> / reimplemented all the features.
> 
> I also updated some things - the original one was doing some fancy FTP
> parsing, which I couldn't really see the point of, so I replaced it
> with rsync. Oh, this also didn't update since ~2011, will see if I can
> backfill sometime...
> 
> Anyway, if folk would like to see the new version, it is at
> http://watersprings.snozzages.com -- once if finished futzing with it
> I'll change the DNS.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Warren: If you have time and enthusiasm I'd be inclined to see if a
>> couple of extra screens could be added to what we have already rather
>> than reimplementating a separate Watersprings clone since the back end
>> is already in place.
> 
> This was easier, although it did mean relearning Perl -- will look at
> reimplementing on the IETF site sometime.
> 
> 
> W
>> 
>> I don't think that putting back what Watersprings had exactly would give
>> you any more ancient history.  I seem to remember that it didn't have
>> drafts earlier than about 1995, but it's a long time since I checked
>> that ;-). I did when I was looking for Nimrod routing history and other
>> stuff for the routing history RFC.
>> 
>> The current tool has a smattering of moderately ancient history already:
>> 
>> Some of the suggestions for IPng are there:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-crocker-ip-encaps-01
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deering-sip-00
>> (The REAL SIP!)
>> 
>> but I suspect the list is incomplete - however unless the file archives
>> are lurking in some server, I don't know how we would know (did
>> ietf-announce exist in those days and would it help?)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Elwyn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 19:15 +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>>> Interesting, Warren.
>>> 
>>> I used to use waterspring and still have an annoying bookmark that autocompletes when I start to type www.wat...
>>> 
>>> At the time that waterspring was set up we didn't archive old versions of I-Ds and once an I-D had expired it disappeared (related issues, but separately annoying). That is no longer the case, so the (UI aside) the main residual value would be retrieving the archive of old I-Ds and I am not so sure how useful that is, but archivists and IPR lawyers might comment).
>>> 
>>> Adrian
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ietf [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari
>>>> Sent: 02 July 2014 19:09
>>>> To: [e-mail] Disgust
>>>> Subject: Reviving watersprings.org.
>>>> 
>>>> Hi there all,
>>>> 
>>>> A number of years ago there was a site called watersprings.org which
>>>> archived Internet Drafts and RFCs and provided some interesting
>>>> linking between them.
>>>> I never used it, but apparently a number of folk really liked the
>>>> interface / etc.
>>>> 
>>>> The site was hosted in Japan and the creator shut it down to conserve
>>>> power after the 2011 tsunami. I provided him a VM (on a machine that
>>>> nLayer / Richard Steenbergen hosts for me), and we started migrating
>>>> over to it. Unfortunately, he no longer has the time / resources to
>>>> run the site, and we never finished the migration / the scripts
>>>> haven't run since then.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I've offered to take over maintaining the VM, try figure out
>>>> how it all works, upgrade it, finish the migration, etc.
>>>> Before spending the time on this though, I figured I should check if
>>>> folk still want it / think that it will be a useful resource. The time
>>>> investment will be fairly significnat, but happy to do it if folk will
>>>> use it...
>>> 
>> 
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