Re: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF]
Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Tue, 27 November 2012 12:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF]
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On 11/16/2012 12:27 AM, John Levine wrote: >> Shall we move on? > > Sure. Since we agree that there is no way to pay for the extra costs > involved in meeting in places where there are insignificant numbers of > IETF participants, it won't happen, and we're done. I wonder how you measure/count "IETF participants"... Do you measure participants based on subscriptions to IETF mailing-lists? -- If so, how do you assign a location to the plenty of gTLD addresses? (including those at gmail.com) Do you measure participants based on subscriptions to mailing-lists *and* whether they actually get to post to the mailing-lists? Or do you count as "participants" those that write documents and/or send feedback about documents? etc.. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
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