RE: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming (off-topic)
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Sun, 01 March 2020 20:37 UTC
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:36:20 -0800
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: RE: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming (off-topic)
Cc: spring@ietf.org, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
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Hi Andrew, [Cc to ietf@] I'll disclose that I am also affiliated with a RIR. I am copying this message to the Responsible Area Director [1] for the SPRING Working Group. At 01:17 AM 01-03-2020, Andrew Alston wrote: >While some on this list have made references to >Brunos integrity let me start by saying I >make no comment on anyones integrity because >I dont know Mr. Decraene well enough to comment >on that, and because I find an individuals >integrity in a discussion about if a potential >conflict exists to be irrelevant. When people >recuse for conflict in any normal environment, >it is not because they will act on the conflict >necessarily, it is because of perception, >because it can taint the issue under discussion, >and it leaves the process open to both attack and appeal. My question was about the process and the role with respect to draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming. I am not personally acquainted with Mr. Decraene to comment about his integrity. It has been pointed out to me that the person is well-known. I don't see what that has to do with the question which I asked. There is a message at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/3zbi71sjcJ8KaFgVIrF2Ymx4GC8/ which lists the Responsible Area Director as a Contributor. In my opinion, the procedural aspects are problematic. I commented about a somewhat similar topic previously [2]. From what I understand, RFC 2026 is applicable for all documents coming out of the IETF Stream. According to that RFC, the "procedures are explicitly aimed at recognizing and adopting generally-accepted practices". One of the definitions in RFC 7776 is: "A conflict of interest may arise if someone involved in the process of handling a harassment report is in the role of Reporter, Respondent, or Subject. Furthermore, a conflict of interest arises if the person involved in the process of handling a harassment report is closely associated personally or through affiliation with any of the Reporter, Respondent, or Subject". The general practice, in such a situation, is recusal. I'll invite the Responsible Area Director to comment about whether there should be an exception to that practice and the rationale for it. Regards, S. Moonesamy 1. https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/spring/about/ 2. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/xBjDAIM4hdnSTyxL7QHlbiFX3eE/
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… John C Klensin
- RE: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Zafar Ali (zali)
- RE: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… bruno.decraene
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… S Moonesamy