Re: Network Energy Management

Hesham ElBakoury <helbakoury@gmail.com> Sat, 06 August 2022 00:55 UTC

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From: Hesham ElBakoury <helbakoury@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 17:54:57 -0700
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Subject: Re: Network Energy Management
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Thanks Shogun
I would appreciate network operators feedback about your ideas.

Hesham

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022, 5:23 PM <shogunx@sleekfreak.ath.cx> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2022, Hesham ElBakoury wrote:
>
> > Hi Shogun,But what IETF can do to support this approach ?
>
> As the IETF?  I do not know.  As individuals who operate networks,
> influence those who operate networks, and the like, we can encourage the
> use of power systems adapted to a world where even power from redundant
> grids, battery storage, and diesel generators of last resort will not
> prove stable enough.
>
> I suggest that adaptive work is needed to ensure that the network
> continues to function properly through more adverse conditions in the
> future. To whit:  how many datacenters in New Orleans maintained
> functionality throughout Hurricane Katrina? This adaption, imho, includes
> site-local renewable power plants, and necessarily the optimization of the
> core network equipment to present as low a load as possible upon the
> finite power budget provided by appropriately sized off-grid or
> grid-interactive renewable energy systems.  Similarly, adaptations to
> trans-oceanic circuits will be required, as dry ground for landings
> becomes a moving target.
>
> What can we do?  We can realize that the design considerations have
> changed, and will continue to change, and thus the network core needs to
> adapt to new conditions.
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > Hesham
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, 4:43 PM <shogunx@sleekfreak.ath.cx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >       >
> >       > 4- Use renewable energy, store it in the router and return
> >       back to the energy
> >       > source the energy that is not used so that someone else can
> >       use it.
> >
> >       I find that an approach likes this is effective.  Properly sized
> >       local
> >       renewable energy collection with properly sized battery storage
> >       provides
> >       better than 5 9's of uptime on the power supply.  To make this
> >       economical,
> >       power efficiency in the network equipment is a critical factor.
> >
> >
> >
> >