Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings
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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:34:51 -0700
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Subject: Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings
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> ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: > >> That said, exceptions should definitely be possible, and I would > >> delegate that to WG Chair level. > > > > Well, that's a step forward, but instead of delgating an exception process > > why not delegate the authority to decide on an appropriate draft handling > > policy? > Oddly, I think it really doesn't. By keeping the view that it is an > "exception", it enforces a cumbersome, IETF-wide, Procrustean model with > an exception, rather than a simple model with no need for exceptions. Sigh. Point taken. I retract my previous assessment that this would be a real step forward. > Either working groups know how to run themselves on a daily basis -- > that is, excepting real crises -- or they don't. Yep. > If they do. then we do not need one-size-fits-all-except-when-it-doesn't > rules. If they don't, then we need to be much, much better about > writing and enforcing rules. (And all the evidence says that we won't be.) Indeed. Past efforts to drag groups out of the weeds have not been all that successful, have they? > ... > What we really need to be is reasonable, open and accountable, with > "local" control for local activities. > Fewer rules, more working group self-management. Exactly. Ned P.S. It really isn't fair that you used the term "Procrustean" - one of my favorites - to blow away my argument ;-) _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Jari Arkko
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Scott Brim
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings John C Klensin
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings John C Klensin
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Scott Brim
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings John C Klensin
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Russ Housley
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Jari Arkko
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Dave Crocker
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings John C Klensin
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings John Leslie
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Dave Crocker
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Dave Crocker
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Pete Resnick
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Russ Housley
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Dave Crocker
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings John C Klensin
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Spencer Dawkins
- RE: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Eric Gray
- RE: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings ned+ietf
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings John C Klensin
- Re: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Ned Freed
- RE: Progressing I-Ds Immediately Before Meetings Eric Gray
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