Re: Missing requirement in draft-sparks-genarea-imaparch? (was Re: New Version Notification - draft-sparks-genarea-imaparch-05.txt)

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 03 April 2013 16:44 UTC

Return-Path: <dhc@dcrocker.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F57921F8F07 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:44:44 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SKUJ0VB4Vcim for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:44:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD5D21F8BE8 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:44:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-9-215.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.9.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r33Gig74030427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:44:43 -0700
Message-ID: <515C5C79.8040606@dcrocker.net>
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:44:41 -0700
From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Subject: Re: Missing requirement in draft-sparks-genarea-imaparch? (was Re: New Version Notification - draft-sparks-genarea-imaparch-05.txt)
References: <20130326204553.17292.36013.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5153571C.9070800@nostrum.com> <6E194773-03C8-4A88-8002-C9E4C8657E98@isode.com> <692E7C28-FF9E-4F3A-8369-4CB2836BFB7E@vigilsec.com> <515C573A.7000109@dcrocker.net> <2CCD7F13-7972-43B2-9B7D-451CBA4E5FB3@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <2CCD7F13-7972-43B2-9B7D-451CBA4E5FB3@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:44:43 -0700 (PDT)
Cc: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:44:44 -0000

On 4/3/2013 9:23 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
>>> Of course we want to be able to delete spam, but this is being used
>>> to access an archive, so only the administrator should be able to
>>> delete the spam.
...
>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27 Mar 2013, at 20:31, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> While looking at it, I noticed we don't explicitly say that this
>>>>> IMAP interface MUST NOT allow messages in the archive to be
>>>>> deleted
>>>>
>>>> I would actually allow administrative users to delete messages
>>>> (e.g. spam), but such actions should be recorded in logs. Other
>>>> users shouldn't be allowed to do that.
>>
>> I'm  confused Russ.  Isn't that exactly what Alexey recommends, here?
>
> The administrator does not have to use the IMAP interface.  They could use a different interface.


Your previous note specified /who/ should have the capability; this 
matches what Alexey said.

Your note now refers to /how/ and appears to mean that you believe they 
should not be allowed to exercise that capability via IMAP.

d/

-- 
  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking
  bbiw.net