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RE: Call for Community Input: Web Analytics on www.ietf.org

Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> Wed, 22 May 2019 19:00 UTC

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From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
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Subject: RE: Call for Community Input: Web Analytics on www.ietf.org
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 19:00:14 +0000
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roman Danyliw
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 2:54 PM
> To: 'Mark Nottingham' <mnot@mnot.net>; Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com>
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Call for Community Input: Web Analytics on www.ietf.org
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Nottingham [mailto:mnot@mnot.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 12:04 PM
> > To: Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com>
> > Cc: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; ietf@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: Call for Community Input: Web Analytics on www.ietf.org
> >
> > Frankly, I want to track how long it takes to generate pages on them,
> > because my perception of the performance is that it's pretty bad. I
> > don't care about tracking users from page to page, etc.
> 
> I can pass this back to the tools team.  This type of performance
> measurement is not in scope for this web analytics proposal.

I was imprecise.  Sorry.  Page generation time will be collected but the currently planned set of reports that will analyze it would not focus on performance analysis.

Roman

> Roman
> 
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > > On 21 May 2019, at 5:00 pm, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>   I agree that tools and datatracker should be included; while the "main"
> > site is important, they are the critical resources that most people
> > interact with.
> > >
> > > I believe the community that uses datatracker is, mostly, different
> > > from the
> > community that uses the main website. What is the point of doing
> > analytics -- which community are we mainly trying to assess and
> > improve?  I believe datatracker has a broad enough input channel for
> > improvement and should be left out of this effort.
> > >
> > > I will be sad on the day that the IETF puts up a "we use cookies"
> > > GDPR
> > notification.  I share Stephen's mild concerns about tracking and privacy.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/

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