Re: Call for Community Input: Web Analytics on www.ietf.org

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Tue, 21 May 2019 15:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: Call for Community Input: Web Analytics on www.ietf.org
From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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I agree that tools and datatracker should be included; while the "main" site is important, they are the critical resources that most people interact with.

For performance monitoring, are we going to be measuring the server-side view of page generation time, or from the client (i.e. using RUM)?

Collecting errors -- e.g., JavaScript exceptions, those reported by CSP and similar facilities -- is extremely useful for finding problems on the site. Will we be doing that?

Cheers,

 

> On 21 May 2019, at 4:27 pm, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 May 2019, Roman Danyliw wrote:
> 
>> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/docs/www.ietf.org-AnalyticsProposal-forReview.pdf
>> 
>> The IESG appreciates any input from the community on this proposal and will consider all input received by June 4, 2019.
> 
> I'm a bit confused that tools.ietf.org is not included. It's where I go
> mostly to read RFCs. (in fact, I google "rfc XXX tools" to not get any
> ancient www.ietf.org text versions but the proper html version on
> tools.ietf.org".
> 
>> Providing a publicly-available summary of analytics data will be explored.
> 
> Since I'm part of the data collection, it makes sense to me to see the
> end summary. I see no reason this should be restricted to the IESG and
> IETF Secretariat - unless you don't trust your anonymization ?
> 
> Otherwise, the plan looks fine to me.
> 
> Paul
> 

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