Re: New Approach For Discussing IPng

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Mon, 19 April 2021 08:55 UTC

Return-Path: <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A093A28EF for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 01:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.3
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q4aVbWhI-KL6 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 01:55:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx4.nic.fr (mx4.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:2::4:12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C20873A11D5 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 01:55:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx4.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A40B280ED7; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:55:13 +0200 (CEST)
Received: by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix, from userid 500) id 42E122811AB; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:55:13 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from relay01.prive.nic.fr (relay01.prive.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:15::11]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3CA280ED7; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:55:13 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from b12.nic.fr (b12.users.prive.nic.fr [10.10.86.133]) by relay01.prive.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3593F60911A0; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:55:13 +0200 (CEST)
Received: by b12.nic.fr (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D53C23FE77; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:54:51 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:54:51 +0200
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>, Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: New Approach For Discussing IPng
Message-ID: <20210419085451.GB27873@nic.fr>
References: <CAMm+LwhV01N_uuFV8TfiyegpqDLmUYwxBcmkUAGG-HfJ7vSB+Q@mail.gmail.com> <989A5048-5EA8-479B-9231-D61B646E46F5@strayalpha.com> <CAMm+Lwhy0c6G7YLx8n7Ya7psG6VxcEckk-ncKg750rscuz-Yaw@mail.gmail.com> <89f2c243-433c-fa32-7dbf-c6392fde3da6@gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <89f2c243-433c-fa32-7dbf-c6392fde3da6@gmail.com>
X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 10.9
X-Kernel: Linux 4.19.0-16-amd64 x86_64
X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie
Organization: NIC France
X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/
User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13)
X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.2
X-PMX-Version: 6.4.9.2830568, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2021.4.19.84516, AntiVirus-Engine: 5.82.0, AntiVirus-Data: 2021.4.19.5820000
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/U8HbqvShSl8EjNfHk0q6aKPCdGc>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:55:18 -0000

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 04:52:58PM +1200,
 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote 
 a message of 20 lines which said:

> 27 years later, it has become clear that deploying new extension headers in IPv6 across the Internet is in practice impossible, however well they work in the lab.
> 
> There's little prospect that things would be different if we repeat the experiment.

If we repeat it exactly in the same way, sure. But with new features,
like greasing, and a lot of encryption (like QUIC does) to keep
middleboxes away?