Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt
Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com> Wed, 08 August 2007 17:52 UTC
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From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:52:03 -0400
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Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt
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On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Douglas Otis wrote: > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 3:02 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > >> What happened to draft-hain-1918bis-01, which tried to get more >> address space for private Internets, but expired back in 2005? >> >> I see the point about regarding 240.0.0.0/4 as "tainted space" and >> therefore being less than useful on the public Internet..... > > RFC 3330 listed as not currently part of the public Internet: > > 0.0.0.0/8 "this" 16,777,216 > 10.0.0.0/8 "private" 16,777,216 > 127.0.0.0/8 "loopback" 16,777,216 > 169.254.0.0/16 "link-local" 65,536 > 172.16.0.0/12 "private" 1,048,576 > 192.0.2.0/24 "test-net" 256 > 192.168.0.0/16 "private" 65,536 > 192.18.0.0/15 "benchmark" 131,072 > 224.0.0.0/4 "multicast" 268,435,456 This is simply wrong. Multicast is certainly part of the public Internet, it is certainly used on the public Internet and (I might point out) people (including yours truly) make money from it. Regards Marshall Eubanks > 240.0.0.0/4 "reserved" 268,435,466 > ------------- > 587,569,816 (13.68% of total non- > public) > 4,294,967,296 (total) > 3,707,397,480 (addresses public) > > Some larger providers and private organizations who depend upon > private IPv4 addresses have complained there is no suitably large > "private" IP address range which can assure each user within their > network can obtain a unique private IP address. It would seem > class E could, and might already, function as a larger "private" IP > address range. > > -Doug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Rémi Denis-Courmont
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Harald Alvestrand
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Carsten Bormann
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Keith Moore
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Douglas Otis
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Marshall Eubanks
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Douglas Otis
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Paul Hoffman
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Paul Hoffman
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt william(at)elan.net
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt David Conrad
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Ned Freed
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Douglas Otis
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Stephen Farrell
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Ned Freed
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Geoff Huston
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Marshall Eubanks
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Daniel Senie
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Marshall Eubanks
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Eastlake III Donald-LDE008
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt David Conrad
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Marshall Eubanks
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Douglas Otis
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Douglas Otis
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Mark Andrews
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Michel Py
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt michael.dillon
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Eliot Lear
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Keith Moore
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt michael.dillon
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Geoff Huston
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Peter Dambier
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Eliot Lear
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Mark Andrews
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-wilson-class-e-00.txt Rémi Denis-Courmont