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Re: NATs *ARE* evil!

V Guruprasad <prasad@watson.ibm.com> Tue, 19 December 2000 17:00 UTC

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:20:23 -0500
From: V Guruprasad <prasad@watson.ibm.com>
To: Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: NATs *ARE* evil!
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Hi Keith!

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Keith Moore wrote:

> mumble.  as far as I can tell, both DNS names and IP addresses
> are hopelessly overloaded and are likely to stay that way until
> we figure out how to make a major architectural change.

Could you please take a look at
	draft-guruprasad-addressless-internet-00.txt
?

It's been done, and at least one conference PC rated it a best paper
(online at http://affine.watson.ibm.com/tmp/vinet.pdf), so it couldn't
be so bad as to be left in total oblivion while everyone continues
in endless inane discussions :-(

More to the point, everyone I did manage to present it to in the
hallways at the 49th IETF did like the idea. I'd hate to list the
nodders, but the list includes at least one IAB member, one W3C
person, and an important contributor to IS-IS and OSPF, as I recall.

	"only an asteroid can clear the dinosaurs..."

-p.

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