Re: NATs *ARE* evil!
Matt Holdrege <matt@ipverse.com> Fri, 15 December 2000 19:50 UTC
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Subject: Re: NATs *ARE* evil!
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Folks should read and *refer* to the NAT WG documents before commenting. An awful lot of work was put into the content and wording of these documents. RFC 2663 draft-ietf-nat-protocol-complications-06.txt & RFC 2993
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