Re: fun with protocols, was IETF Mail List Failure

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

So, keeping in mind that as a TSV AD, I've been sitting through the IESG's
discussions about what to do with DMARC and IETF mailing lists, but e-mail
in general and DMARC in particular is not remotely my area of expertise
(all e-mail looks like a bytestream to transport types, as does almost
everything else) ...

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 11:09 AM John Levine <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In article <8082.1526663634@localhost> you write:
> >> NNTP is actually two separate protocols. ...
>
> >We do have the common IMAP server, ...
>
> >I would probably prefer to use NNTP to access that system, as the good old
> >news reader tools still beat most mail readers (for me, who still lives in
> >emacs), but they also don't handle HTML email. (Maybe that's a good thing,
> >given efail)
>
> Funny you should mention that.  I have a little script that copies
> messages on the lists I read from the IETF IMAP server to local
> newsgroups to my local NNTP server, which I then read with my
> newsreader.  The groups are marked as moderated which means that
> "posted" articles are mailed instead, and it sends them to the
> appropriate list.  Works great.
>

I am intrigued by this thought, but find myself wondering whether there is
any remaining problem with DMARC from e-mailed responses.

I also wonder what threading looks like if an exchange is bouncing back and
forth between someone who's using e-mail and someone who's using a
newsreader and e-mailing responses (from the point of view of the e-mail
user, the newsreader user, and third-party observers).

But I don't think the IESG believes we've come up with the Final Ultimate
Solution to the DMARC Mailing List Problem (with apologies to
http://www.dmuth.org/fussp.html), so I'm still willing to wonder about
stuff like this ...

Spencer, who is 1/16th of the IESG on his best days, and is not the IESG
liaison to the tools team (according to https://trac.ietf.org/trac/iesg/wiki,
that's now EKR)


> Re HTML messages, newsreaders have evolved since you used trn twenty
> years ago.  Take a look.  Thunderbird's not bad.
>
> Setting up an IETF NNTP server with all of the lists as newsgroups
> wouldn't be very hard, give or take the usual hassles of setting
> up a new service and being sure it's someone's job to oversee it.
>
> R's,
> John
>
>