Re: IETF Process Evolution

At 2:28 PM -0700 9/16/05, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
>And since all other public development efforts for process change have frankly fallen flat, as Brian has cited, what is your basis for believing that a working group charter will somehow make yet-another public process more effective at developing a specification for change?

Possibly I'm wrong in this, but I believe that the public process works when the
community cares about the outcome.  The IASA work is done, and I believe
it is a success because enough people cared about the outcome to make it one.

As you noted a few days ago:

>Successful IETF work begins by developing support to do the development work and support to use the output of that work. The work is then done for development and deployment.
>
>The procedural simplicity and practical utility of this model tend to be vastly under-appreciated.

I believe the community will care enough about this to get it to work, and I hope
I'm right, as it will be a requirement whatever process we use to get to a new
change process.

As I said at the beginning of this thread, I believe using PESCI to scope the
work and develop support for is fine.  I'm deeply concerned, however, about it
doing the development work itself, as a process in which selected volunteers replace
the public work of those who will use the outcome.

			regards,
				Ted Hardie

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