RE: Call for Review of draft-iab-rfc4441rev-04.txt, "The IEEE 802 / IETF Relationship"

["Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Steve,

We shall ask the question, but I can already guess the answers. Current IEEE rules (copyright rules I think) do not allow for sharing of work-in-progress drafts with no access control. You need to be a participant of some sort in order to access such documents, and this validated by the fact that you know the username/password combination. These are IEEE, beyond the power of IEEE 802 to change. 

As a chair who dealt with this for a number of years in the past I can bear witness that this is not a huge task. The IEEE 802 entrusts the chair with the username and password to access IEEE 802 WG documents. The IETF WG chair from time to time will forward this information on a per request basis to IETF participants who need access to the IEEE 802 documents. 

Regards,

Dan
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> Stephen Farrell
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: IAB Chair
> Cc: IAB; IETF
> Subject: Re: Call for Review of draft-iab-rfc4441rev-04.txt, "The IEEE
> 802 / IETF Relationship"
> 
> 
> A couple of minor comments:
> 
> - For some unfathomable reason IEEE people seem to call mailing lists
> "reflectors" - that might be worth a mention. Section 4 otherwise seems
> repetitive.
> 
> -  3.3.1.4 says: Since it is
>    possible to participate in IETF without attending meetings, or even
>    joining a mailing list, IETF WG chairs will provide the information
>    to anyone who requests it.  However, since IEEE 802 work-in-progress
>    is copyrighted, incorporating material into IETF documents or posting
>    the username/password on mailing lists or websites is not permitted.
> 
> That's a pretty bogus setup. I would think that if IEEE do want to share
> some or all drafts with us they could much more easily create a web page
> when those drafts are available without access control.
> Or we could if they didn't mind. (Or I could do it if there's no "we"
> that wants to:-) Asking IETF WG chairs to deal with passwords is a bit
> silly. I'm not objecting to this, but am suggesting someone ask IEEE if
> they'd like to consider the silliness here and fix it.
> 
> S.
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2013 07:50 PM, IAB Chair wrote:
> > This is a call for review of "The IEEE 802 / IETF Relationship"
> > prior to potential approval as an IAB stream RFC.
> >
> > The document is available for inspection here:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-rfc4441rev/
> >
> > The Call for Review will last until 20 June 2013.
> > Please send comments to [e-mail].
> >
> > On behalf of the IAB,
> >   Russ Housley
> >   IAB Chair
> >
> >