Re: IESG Statement on disruptive posting

Eric,

Gray, Eric wrote:
...
> 	... there is a need to define who
> is what, he has a valid point.  I moderate the MPLS mailing list, but
> there are others who are authorized to do so as well - including the
> ADs and WG Chairs.  I assume this is true of other mailing lists as
> well, and I do not think that it is obvious to everyone who is on the
> list of people with authority to manage each list.

That is the reason for the specific reference to the administrators
listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi.
> 
> 	... the comment that Brian's terminology use
> is not consistent (Brian says "the moderators or maintainers of IETF 
> mailing lists that are not WG mailing lists" in the beginning of his
> message and "where the administrators are listed" later on), 

It's not *my* terminology, it's an IESG statement.
The inconsistent language in the two parts of the statement has
been noted.

> ... reasonable in saying that a decision 
> should name the AD consulted

Reasonable and should, yes.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi lists the
Areas, which gets you to a choice of two ADs at most, so the
responsible AD is not hard to find.

> 	I believe that at least a formal notification must occur and it
> must list those people involved in making the decision. 

Yes, I agree.

> 	It would also be good from the list administrator's perspective
> if the notification was at least backed up by the consulted AD - if it
> does not in fact come from the consulted AD(s).

Not sure I see why, but I'd certainly expect the AD to be
copied.

> ... if there are lists that are
> maintained by the IETF site that do not properly belong under IESG
> authority, 

Those would not be at https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi,
so would be out of scope.

> or if there are lists maintained elsewhere that are kept on
> behalf of the IETF, but do not fall under IESG authority.  I don't know 
> that such lists exist, but it is possible that they do.  

If they do, they *are* are at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi

> 	Would BoF mailing lists fall into this category?

If they are listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi.

> ... there should 
> be an announcement that "such-and-such" list now falls under the
> IESG authority 

Ideally yes, but since the list of such lists is public
at https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi,
this is low on my list of change requests to the secretariat.

      Brian

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