Re: Long-term IETF evolution thoughts

[Dave Taht <[e-mail]>]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Ross Finlayson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> That's because email is STILL the very best collaboration tool available:
>> nothing else even comes close.
>>
>> 1. It's low-bandwidth.
>> 2. It can be utilized offline.
>> 3. It's asynchronous.
>> 4. It can be used with the UI (mail client) of the participant's choice,
>>       as long as that mail client is reasonably well-behaved.
>> 5. It automatically builds an archive.
>> 6. Individual participants can build their own archives.
>> 7. Which means that they can also search those archives with the
>>       mechanism of THEIR choice rather than one forced on them.
>> 8. Which means that (taken as an aggregate) there are numerous ways
>>       to ensure the completeness and integrity of the archives.
>> 9. It scales magnificently.
>> 10. Privacy/security issues are minimized.
>> 11. Attacks/abuse/etc. against it are well-understood and easy to handle.
>> 12. It's extremely fault- and delay-tolerant.
>> 13. It's push, not pull.
>> 14. It's highly portable, e.g., list-rehosting and list software upgrading
>>       or changing are all relatively painless processes.
>> 15. There are some very good choices for well-supported, mature,
>>       stable, open-source software to manage it.
>> 16. (more which I'll omit for now)
>>
>> Moving to web-based collaboration would be a massive downgrade: it's
>> a truly horrible idea.
>
> Absolutely.  There’s no way in hell that I’m going to move from email to an ‘improved' system that would require me to have a web browser window open (or, more accurately, multiple web browser windows open - one for each ‘forum’ that I’m at least vaguely interested in), and hope that these windows update properly (without sending my browser’s CPU usage into the stratosphere) so that I don’t miss any notifications.

https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/vector.html has a relevant blurb.

the matrix ecosystem happens to be partially built around the webrtc
standards, be encrypted, and well distributed.

>
> Although many ‘hipsters’ these days might not like email, an email address seems like a very low bar to require for participation in the IETF.

I'm not even sure a pulse should be required at this point, given the
rise of AI.

>         Ross.
>



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