Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of dissent
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From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
To: "D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to>
Subject: Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of dissent
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Let me chime in with the only "hat" of trying to do "the right thing" and apply common sense. I.e., writing this as neither an IESG member nor a Cisco employee. There was indeed an issue with D. J. Bernstein's email sent on 2025-11-22, going automatically in moderation, and finally released on the 24th: * To the best of my knowledge, it was not a "censorship" decision by a human being, but more a technical glitch/misconfiguration (we are all human beings prone to mistakes) of the mailman3 moderation settings. * The 2-day delay between the sending and the release is probably due to the weekend. * The comment about the WGLC is still in time (and what would have counted anyway was the send date, not the email release date), i.e., should be addressed. So, a big annoyance but nothing critical. I will let the tools team to provide, if required, more technical information. Allow me to give some advice to the whole IETF community: an email to support@ietf.org is usually more efficient than a complain to an AD for this kind of issues. May I also suggest moving following parts of this thread to mod-discuss@ietf.org or tls@ietf.org as they are more suitable / focus places ? IMHO, the core of the issue should be the TLS WG last call discussion and not the surrounding context (albeit "censorship" is obviously another critical topic). Regards -éric
- Re: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … Christian Huitema
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Paul Wouters
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Michael De Roover
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Paul Wouters
- Complaint to IESG regarding censorship of dissent D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Complaint to IESG regarding censorship of dis… Michael De Roover
- Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of diss… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Simon Josefsson
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Andrew Lee
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Michael De Roover
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Michael De Roover
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Michael De Roover
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Randy Presuhn
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Andrew Lee
- Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of dissent D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Andrew Lee
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … Christian Hopps
- Re: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Simon Josefsson
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… D. J. Bernstein
- Fwd: Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of… Michael De Roover
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… D. J. Bernstein
- RE: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … Andrew Campling
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Salz, Rich
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: Complaint to ADs regarding censorship of diss… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … Christian Hopps
- Re: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … Christian Hopps
- Re: Complaint v2 to IESG regarding censorship of … Andrew Alston
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