Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...)
Andrew Newton <anewton@ecotroph.net> Thu, 27 March 2003 02:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...)
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From the reading of the draft, it would appear that much of the pain for applications with SL is caused because the apps violated the contract. Actually, its a wonder any of these would work in v6 at all given the description of the problem (address leaks). -andy Michael Mealling wrote: > > Its not that 'we don't want to change because its to much work'. Its > that the Internet architecture assured us that the hour glass model > applied, that the network topology would remain abstracted within what > to us is an opaque address space. One of the number one reasons its so > easy for new application layer technologies to be deployed is that a > developer doesn't need to know or care about any layer below TCP (or, in > rare cases, UDP). If the lower layers want to change that hour glass > model then we're talking about a serious breach of contract with the > layers above it and a dangerous blow to the hour glass model. > > -MM > >
- Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Jim Fleming
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Peter O'Neil
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Jim Fleming
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Lloyd Wood
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Tony Hain
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Keith Moore
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Tony Hain
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Eliot Lear
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Jeroen Massar
- site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the … Ted Hardie
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Jeroen Massar
- RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Tony Hain
- RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Michael Mealling
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Fred Baker
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Michel Py
- RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Paul Hoffman / VPNC
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Jeroen Massar
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Margaret Wasserman
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Michel Py
- RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Tony Hain
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Ted Hardie
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Tony Hain
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Eliot Lear
- RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … John C Klensin
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Tony Hain
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Fred Baker
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Tim Chown
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Eliot Lear
- RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Tony Hain
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Stephen Sprunk
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Andrew Newton
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Måns Nilsson
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Michel Py
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Keith Moore
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Pekka Savola
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Måns Nilsson
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Tony Hain
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Louis A. Mamakos
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Tony Hain
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Pekka Savola
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Tony Hain
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Richard Carlson
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Valdis.Kletnieks
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... shogunx
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Lloyd Wood
- RE: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Pekka Savola
- RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Margaret Wasserman
- RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Tony Hain
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Keith Moore
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … John Stracke
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … John Kristoff
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Richard Carlson
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Keith Moore
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: site local addresses Simon Leinen
- Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to … John Stracke
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Lloyd Wood
- Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT... Paul Vixie