Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Mon, 04 November 2013 15:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson
From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > FWIW, I largely agree with Dave. I think the motives here are > entirely appropriate, but the IESG's handing down dicta is > questionable -- and could be quite problematic if a situation > appeared to justify sanctions rather than just education. > I have a related question: Is the IESG the right body to be making these sorts of declarations in the first place? It seems to me that an engineering steering group is a bit outside of its jurisdiction to be establishing what amount to human resources positions. The analogy to the corporate environment, i.e., technical managers and team leads, would certainly be the wrong body to be taking on the creation of a higher-level HR function. Shouldn't this be coming from one of the operational bodies higher up? -MSK
- Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson IETF Chair
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Dave Crocker
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson joel jaeggli
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson SM
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Melinda Shore
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Dave Crocker
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson IETF Chair
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Bob Hinden
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson SM
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Melinda Shore
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Theodore Ts'o
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Dave Crocker
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson joel jaeggli
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson ned+ietf
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Alissa Cooper
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Dave Crocker
- RE: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Black, David
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Dan Harkins
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Paul M
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Murray S. Kucherawy
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