Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Tue, 05 November 2013 03:00 UTC
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John and Dave, having reviewed the thread, I sense a reasonably strong consensus in the community that "this is a good idea, someone needs to do it, we're not really objecting to the IESG doing it by declaration". I like IESG statements - because they are IESG statements, it's clear that the IESG is responsible for making them, and they don't have to claim that the community has been consulted thoroughly and clearly demonstrated a consensus for whatever action is needed. Establishing consensus takes time - especially for issues where the community really has rather few members who want to debate the details of the issue, and many would much prefer that someone else do something that's within reasonable distance of OK, but won't really engage in the debate. I've found that the longer I'm away from the administrative regions of the IETF, the harder I find it to find energy to engage myself in debates about things that are already approximately OK. And I think there are many who are even less willing to engage on these issues than I am. I'm glad the IESG is grasping the nettle and making a declaration here. It's a much better thing to do than to let the issue linger for months and years while we wait for enough people to engage on the issue for a consensus to be declared. Yours, pessimistically - Harald -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSeF9GAAoJEIjUFboxkRizqM8H+wbXz4813LEh730TJIEMSdyc msmy2wEF64yh13yJ+I75n4qfJQV0mUFcqjvNiGQF/YKEJtOPpfcpnDPWYLNSdfQu /anOvi1niiMjekkfcPFofr+KkCLjc3RffAdWm1mSdWaFFi4Ij5Z9qoWXgq0THPe5 Z9mAv6hqVDBFik7Y4JUOGHGMkl/uiDnvE0aJAzTQKPMTc3Z9fHdiO4BMStIk71wY L9Un+UUMfUPfNFKWbOMnixLOqFCeDqUpyBQCPS2Y1LLchavrZUTqBRMllfzVBDMj TCc9yX2lUnvsbromqgNwSkkq4e3iAXMzBo1tWYJnD75BBkKe8uu4GM4n1fa69do= =N1Fy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson IETF Chair
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Dave Crocker
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson joel jaeggli
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson SM
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Melinda Shore
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Dave Crocker
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson IETF Chair
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Bob Hinden
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson SM
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Melinda Shore
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Theodore Ts'o
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Dave Crocker
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson joel jaeggli
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson ned+ietf
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Alissa Cooper
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Dave Crocker
- RE: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Black, David
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Dan Harkins
- Re: [88attendees] Anti-harassment policy and ombu… Paul M
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson John C Klensin
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Anti-harassment policy and ombudsperson IETF Chair