Re: Ombudsteam update

heasley <heas@shrubbery.net> Tue, 15 January 2019 00:04 UTC

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From: heasley <heas@shrubbery.net>
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: Ombudsteam update
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Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 02:20:42PM -0500, John Levine:
> In article <20190111174301.GA85567@shrubbery.net> you write:
> >Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:35:40PM -0500, IETF Chair:
> >> The IETF ombudsteam <https://www.ietf.org/contact/ombudsteam/> is a designated group of people who have been selected
> >to handle reports of potential harassment in the IETF.
> >
> >Why are these appointed rather than elected positions?
> 
> Beyond what Adrian said, the IETF has no elected positions.  

ok, elected was a poor choice of words.  i did not know but 7776 tells
who appoints and why there was no discussion or mention of who was
under consideration.

> We have a randomly selected nomcom that chooses most of the other
> positions, but the nomcom has no more expertise in personnel or
> harassment issues than any other random set of IETF'ers.
> 
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