Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / LLM .. is there a FAQ?
Job Snijders <job@sobornost.net> Mon, 18 August 2025 16:54 UTC
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 16:53:56 +0000
From: Job Snijders <job@sobornost.net>
To: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
Subject: Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / LLM .. is there a FAQ?
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 09:43:04AM -0700, Joe Touch wrote: > > On Aug 18, 2025, at 9:16 AM, Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> wrote: > > > > I’m unconvinced it would make sense as a policy for IETF to adopt > > for standards documents. > > Why not? > > Or, in response to such generated drafts, why wouldn’t I just ask AI > to generate a 5GB “expert” review of such documents? Such a strategy seems problematic, it there might be unintended negative consequences such as people leaving working groups because the stream of information became unmanagable. Kind regards, Job
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Colin Perkins
- BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / LLM .… Job Snijders
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Tobias Fiebig
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Joe Touch
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Job Snijders
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Tobias Fiebig
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Jeffrey Walton
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Joe Touch
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… John Levine
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Simon Josefsson
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Michael Richardson
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Job Snijders
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Job Snijders
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… John R Levine
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… John R Levine
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Michael De Roover
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Jay Daley
- Re: BCP 78 policy / copyright / Generative AI / L… Arturo Servin