Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Tue, 06 August 2019 21:41 UTC

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From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:41:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:30 PM Alissa Cooper via Datatracker
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> Thanks for writing this document.
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> Section 6.1 says:
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> "Developers MAY develop new protocols or applications that rely on IP
>    fragmentation if the protocol or application is to be run only in
>    environments where IP fragmentation is known to be supported."
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> I'm wondering if there should be a bit more nuance here to make the
> recommendation clearer. Do we think there is a case where an application
> protocol developed in the IETF will be known to only run in environments where
> fragmentation is supported? If we don't think developing such a protocol would
> be in scope for the IETF, then I'm wondering if that case should be called out
> explicitly with a stronger normative requirement.
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Alissa,

Are you distinguishing between protocol development and application
development? For instance, as written the requirements would allow a
UDP application developer to send 64K datagrams which might work
perfectly fine and be the best solution in their environment that they
know properly supports fragmentation.

Tom

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> Section 3.8.2: If there is any chance we think this situation might improve
> before this RFC-to-be gets obsoleted one day, I might suggest:
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> s/The security policy described above is implemented incorrectly on
>    many consumer CPE routers./The security policy described above has been
>    implemented incorrectly on many consumer CPE routers./
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> Section 3.9: s/Another recent study/Another study/
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