Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Wed, 07 August 2019 14:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 7/8/19 16:30, Joe Touch wrote:
> Things that don’t work aren’t always either deprecated or security attacks.
> 
> And if we treat them as such, the remainder won’t be useful to anyone for anything.

What I meant is that, whether one likes it or not, at the point
something does not work (for some meaningful level of failure rate), you
cannot rely on it anymore. (that wrt the "deprecated" (in a colloquial
way) bit).

Regarding security, there are times in which things don't work because
vendors did such a poor job that supporting a given feature opens your
networks or devices to attack. Particularly when a feature is not widely
employed (if at all), it's not surprising that ops people resort to
blocking the feature.

Not that I necessarily like it, but that's what reality seems to indicate.

I leave the "who to blame" for others (SDOs for generating stuff that is
not possible to implement in a meaningful way, vendors for claiming they
support something when they do it in a very poorly way, or ops folks for
solving their problems with what they have at hand (instead of e.g. to
applying pain to vendors or SDOs, if at all possible)). :-)

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