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Re: [Int-area] Call for adoption of draft-pignataro-intarea-gre-ipv6-01

"Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Tue, 02 December 2014 23:56 UTC

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From: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>, "Zuniga, Juan Carlos" <JuanCarlos.Zuniga@InterDigital.com>, "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for adoption of draft-pignataro-intarea-gre-ipv6-01
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Hi Joe,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@isi.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 3:49 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L; Zuniga, Juan Carlos; int-area@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for adoption of draft-pignataro-intarea-gre-ipv6-01
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2014 3:46 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@isi.edu]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 3:40 PM
> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Zuniga, Juan Carlos; int-area@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for adoption of draft-pignataro-intarea-gre-ipv6-01
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/2/2014 3:26 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> >>> Hi Joe,
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe Touch
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 2:18 PM
> >>>> To: Zuniga, Juan Carlos; int-area@ietf.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Call for adoption of draft-pignataro-intarea-gre-ipv6-01
> >>>>
> >>>> I read this draft.
> >>>>
> >>>> IMO, it's fine as long as it is updated to indicate that it reflects
> >>>> current deployments.
> >>>
> >>> You said you read it, but you didn't notice the broken parts?
> >>
> >> I wasn't approving it as-written. Once it's a WG doc and we know the
> >> scope of the discussion, we can all engage in a useful discussion on the
> >> details of its content.
> >
> > I would like to see my questions addressed before the document could be
> > adopted:
> >
> > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/current/msg04101.html
> >
> >> E.g., if it's strictly limited to what is deployed, then it certainly
> >> should document all the parts - including the broken ones.
> >
> > What is written in the document can't work in real deployments; it does
> > not support the IPv6 minimum MTU.
> 
> Even if it's broken, documenting it as deployed is important.

But, that's not what this document is doing. It is saying "MAY/SHOULD/MUST"
do things that are broken. That is language for a functional specification, and
quite different than an Informational document.

Also, you skipped the part about my questions that need to be addressed:

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/current/msg04101.html

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> Joe

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