Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securely transfer ownership?
William_J_G Overington <wjgo_10009@btinternet.com> Sat, 31 October 2020 10:55 UTC
Return-Path: <wjgo_10009@btinternet.com>
X-Original-To: iotops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: iotops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AB43A0D98 for <iotops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 03:55:34 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.199
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btinternet.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nR2E-9QM-H3L for <iotops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 03:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout0201.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.200]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED783A0D9B for <Iotops@ietf.org>; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 03:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
X-OWM-Source-IP: 10.110.13.1 ()
X-OWM-Env-Sender: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com
X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean
X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0
X-VadeSecure-score: verdict=clean score=0/300, class=clean
X-SNCR-VADESECURE: CLEAN
X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0
X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean
X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedujedrleejgddvvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemuceutffkvffkuffjvffgnffgvefqofdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefvkffugggtfghihfffsegrtdersgdtreejnecuhfhrohhmpeghihhllhhirghmpgflpgfiucfqvhgvrhhinhhgthhonhcuoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeduteeggefhjeeghefhtddvteelgfeggeetfeehgeekudevvdfgieevueefvdelkeenucffohhmrghinhepghhlohgsrghlnhgvthdrtghordhukhdpfiiffidrsghlrdhukhenucfkphepuddtrdduuddtrddufedruddpkeeirdduheekrdduledrfeejnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghlohepfigvsghmrghilhegtddrsghtrdgvgihtrdgtphgtlhhouhgurdgtohdruhhkpdhinhgvthepuddtrdduuddtrddufedruddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeofihjghhopgdutddttdelsegsthhinhhtvghrnhgvthdrtghomheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoefkohhtohhpshesihgvthhfrdhorhhgqe
Received: from webmail40.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (10.110.13.1) by rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.26-1) (authenticated as wjgo_10009@btinternet.com) id 5B93D594263F8EA5 for Iotops@ietf.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:55:27 +0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1604141732; bh=yov0ab468VhIb3VAcrKlTdYFCc4fEw3hHQeDhDjvnDI=; h=To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:From:Date; b=MQzDL6rLYtK8bx/z39FQQpVfWZNwSKh4sTnDkx/VeSJLw/Y42ooHYSMQkzk2qJI37w1QARML57U9z9IjgTMU0qxZTZe0kyvcKZAlhF4ZpIH25s5N/cQZePcE2Gn4/ZFax7C5qKWhITQ5m2GA/fV0UA/unBNbu1gsG5OhggxJqD8=
Received: from [86.158.19.37] by ux.btmail.bt.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:55:27 +0000
To: Iotops@ietf.org
Message-ID: <6e7fc2c3.ccb.1757e4c3e9e.Webtop.227@btinternet.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23526_1966067526.1604141727294"
User-Agent: OWM Mail 3
X-SID: 227
X-Originating-IP: [86.158.19.37]
From: William_J_G Overington <wjgo_10009@btinternet.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:55:27 +0000
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/iotops/L5jcz5UbBGay18rEnEGNTXasoEE>
Subject: Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securely transfer ownership?
X-BeenThere: iotops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IOT Operations <iotops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/iotops>, <mailto:iotops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/iotops/>
List-Post: <mailto:iotops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:iotops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iotops>, <mailto:iotops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:55:35 -0000
Michael Richardson wrote: > Tales of dystopian machine dominated futures abound. Here is a link to a eutopian science fiction novel that I wrote from June 2016 to February 2019. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/novel.htm It is free to read, no registration required. The novel is intended to support an invention of mine for communication through the language barrier in some circumstances. The invention was originally intended for person to person communication using plain text and also for use on web pages yet could also be used for human to thing communication and for thing to human communication through the language barrier using plain text. Maybe also for thing to thing communication too as my intention is for the invention to be open source for maximum use and interoperability. The science in the novel is real, there is a real research project, for which there are various documents, including a slide show. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_research.htm A second novel is a work in progress. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/locse_novel2.htm I am wondering if the issue of being able to recover the original software for a thing could be solved by some infrastructure something like it being good practice for the manufacturer of the thing to produce a hexadecimal dump of the software and publish it in a PDF (Portable Document Format) document and for that PDF document to be deposited at The British Library in accordance with the legal deposit regulations together with a note permitting The British Library to supply a copy to anyone for a fee. The document could also be made available on the manufacturer's website, yet legal deposit at The British Library would mean that the document would still be available even if the manufacturer went out of business and the website was no longer available. That would apply to publications published in the United Kingdom. National libraries in other countries may have similar systems. Given that hexadecimal dump maybe that could be used to reset the thing to its original configuration. I put this forward as an idea for discussion in the hope that a useful infrastructure will be developed. https://www.bl.uk/legal-deposit I have previously sent various pure electronic items to The British Library for legal deposit and these have been accepted and an email receipt sent to me. As well as PDF documents I have sent images and fonts that I have produced and published. William Overington Saturday 31 October 2020
- [Iotops] New Non-WG Mailing List: IOTOPS -- IOT O… IETF Secretariat
- Re: [Iotops] New Non-WG Mailing List: IOTOPS -- I… Andrew G. Malis
- [Iotops] can we create protocols that securely tr… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership (was: can we crea… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… William_J_G Overington
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… Toerless Eckert
- [Iotops] Use of abbreviations William_J_G Overington
- Re: [Iotops] Use of abbreviations Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Iotops] Use of abbreviations William_J_G Overington
- Re: [Iotops] Use of abbreviations Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Iotops] can we create protocols that securel… Qin Wu
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership (was: can we crea… Qin Wu
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership (was: can we crea… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership (was: can we crea… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership (was: can we crea… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership (was: can we crea… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership (was: can we crea… Amyas Phillips, Ambotec
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership (was: can we crea… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership William_J_G Overington
- Re: [Iotops] maintain ownership William_J_G Overington