Re: DRAFT minutes from Prague IPR WG meeting

[Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[e-mail]>]

I have seen no comments on these minutes (the two messages from Todd 
Glassey with the same subject line seemed to contain no indication that the 
minutes needed correcting), so I'm uploading these to the IETF proceedings 
server.

New versions can be uploaded if needed, so if you see something wrong in 
the minutes, please notify the list.

              Harald Alvestrand

--On 27. mars 2007 15:48 +0200 Harald Alvestrand <[e-mail]> 
wrote:

> Thanks to Scott Bradner for compiling these minutes.
>
> I have inserted various points from the slides; if you were present (in
> person or via audio/jabber), please send any comment you have to the
> minutes as soon as you can.
>
>                      Harald
>
> Date: March
>
> I - agenda bashing: no changes
>
> II - outgoing rights draft
>    anyone wish to raise issues before going to IESG
>    Simon (on Jabber) - I sent in a review    Harald: who thinks its ready
> for iesg - no response
>    Brian - ok but should be reviewed on mailing list
>    no objections in the room to send to IESG but Harald will take
> 	question to list
>
> III - matching issues to resolutions
>    Harald reviewed issues from issues list and the resolutions
> 	1166 Quotations from RFCs and I-Ds
> 		Resolution: Permitted
> 	1167 Excerpt labeling
> 		Resolution: SHOULD label, format as appropriate
> 	1168 non-code excerpts
> 		Resolution: Permitted
> 	1169 Modified excerpts
> 		Resolution: Permitted for code, not permitted for non-code
> 	1175 How can code be distinguished from non-code?
> 		Resolution: List of types of content + a marker mechanism – Trust
> maintains
> 	1199 What license should the IETF grant to third parties on
> Contributions?
> 		Resolution: Unmodified excerpts for non-code, excerpt & modify for code
> 	1212 Copyright statements in I-Ds and RFCs: Meaning?
> 		Resolution: Basically meaningless in I-Ds, relevant for RFCs
> 	1237 Should incoming rights be published as 3978 delta or replacement?
> 		Resolution: Replacement
> 	1238 Should secretariat ask for IPR clarification from IPR holder on 3rd
> party IPR
> 		disclosures
> 		Resolution: Yes. draft-narten-ipr-3979-3rd-party-fix approved in
> January.
> 	1239 Understanding intent of participants
> 		Resolution: None needed.
> 	1400 Permission to modify code: Unlimited or restrictable
> 		Resolution: Unlimited
> 	no argument that these issues should be closed
>    Harald reviewed issues that have not been resolved
> 	1246 Incoming rights: How much should be said about outgoing rights?
> 		Not resolved, punted to next agenda item
> 	1273 How do we usefully define "excerpt"?
> 		San Diego: Somebody else's problem (closed)
> 	1282 Should multiple copyright statements be permitted in I-Ds and RFCs?
> 		Suggestion: none needed for I-D, RFC Editor matter for RFCs
> 		Need the ability to do "joint" for joint publication. Need to avoid
> lots of
> 		conflicting ones.
> 	1337 Notices and Rights Required in RFC Editor Contributions
> 		Proposal: RFC Editor's problem (+IAB) – not the WG's issue.
> 	1338 Notices "normally placed at the end" (raised in conjunction with
> nits checker)
> 		Word "normally" was chosen to be non-nonrmative. Don't check.
> 	1339 Does RFC 3978 3.3.a.(E) grant third parties rights to modify source
> 		Jorge believes that license permits extraction & bugfixing.
>
> 	close - what is an excerpt
> 	multiple copyrights statements in ID - may need for other SDO
> 		document
> 	rfc ed specific text in incoming doc - consensus: should
> 		be removed
> 	others as on slide
>
> IV - incoming draft
>    add phrase that says what is normative and what is not
> 	boilerplate - should it be there?
> 	Scott Bradner - yes
> 	Brian Carpenter - changes are painful but 1st set of
> 		boilerplate important
> 	Scott Bradner - do not need most of boilerplate - need
> 		1st pp & exp date
> 	Harald - conclusion: short boilerplate - with trust ok to change
> 	John Klensin - should be in RFC and unchangeable or just
> 		a pointer
> 	Scott Bradner - how about pointer with text that says
> 		text for start of ID that summaries responsibilities 		of authors in
> light of bcp 79
> 	Harald - how many support pointing to doc maintained by trust?
> 			consensus in favor
>    Harald -incoming doc structure:
> 	abstract
> 	defs
> 	intro & descriptions
> 	legal stuff
>
>    John Klensin - need to have incoming stable before last calling
> outgoing
>    Harald - do WGLC on outgoing but say that doc will not go to
> 	IESG until incoming done to cover what -outgoing needs
>    Ted Hardie (via Jabber) - not do IETF Last Call until incoming
> 	document finished working group last call
>
> meeting concluded
>
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