Re: Copying and licensing....Re: Copying conditions

H - Simply put - fraud-in-the-conveyance or offering a contract makes that contract uninforcable. Fraud in a civil contract where the parties involved know that the fraud is happening, makes the original agreement uninforcable. What is so complex about that? Its simple contract law. 

I suggest that you look into "Fraud in the inducement" i.e. - http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=786&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C - Which is where at least one of the parties withholds critical information about a relationship - including whether they have the legal release to enter into the relationship in the first place. Or also Intrinsic Fraud, since this release process causes both IMHO.  http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=714&bold=||||

Todd Glassey

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From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
> This may be hopelessly amateur-lawyerish, but....
> 
> is there a reason why the text says "multiple.... copyright statements", 
> and does not say "multiple..... licensing statements"?
> 
> I get a headache from the discussion of copyright notices, but the 
> IMPORTANT part of the statement that Simon wants to add is his license 
> terms, not his copyright statement.
> 
> And what the IETF cares about is that the IETF rights should not be 
> *restricted*.
> 
> So would it be OK for an I-D author to say something like this:
> 
>   In addition to the license given to the IETF, the author declares that
>   Copying and distribution of the work, with or without
>   modification, are permitted in any medium without royalty
>   provided the copyright notice and this notice are preserved
> 
> Or does that make no sense?
> (I see lots of corner cases, like the case where portions of the RFC are 
> quotes from another RFC that doesn't have such a clause - the "no 
> sublicensing" stuff Jorge mentions applies here. But in theory....)
> 
>                   Harald
> 
> 
> --On 8. januar 2005 05:04 -0500 Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> >>           Copyright (C) 2004, 2005 Simon Josefsso
> >>
> >>           Copying and distribution of the work, with or without
> >>           modification, are permitted in any medium without royalty
> >>           provided the copyright notice and this notice are preserved.
> >>
> >> ----------
> >>
> >> I see no problem with this in an RFC, and I don't see it as
> >> conflicting with the ISOC copyright statement. Thoughts?
> >
> > multiple, potentially conflicting, copyright statements are a problem and
> > are currently not permitted
> >
> > see RFC 3667 section 5.4
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> 
> 
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