Re: [IPsec] Beginning the PAKE selection process

Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@oracle.com> Mon, 24 May 2010 21:55 UTC

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Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:54:55 -0500
From: Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@oracle.com>
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Beginning the PAKE selection process
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On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 02:50:23PM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> At 2:07 PM -0700 5/24/10, Dan Harkins wrote:
> >  This is out-of-line.
> 
> Would it have been less out-of-line if I, the other co-chair wrote it?
> Or if someone who is not a co-chair but understands how the IETF
> process is supposed to work wrote it?
> 
> FWIW, I agree with what Yaron wrote. If there is little or no interest
> in advancing this work other than from the authors of the drafts, we
> should strongly consider taking it out of the WG charter. You
> disagree, and others might agree with you or with Yaron.

Personally I'd much rather that the WG add non-PKIX authentication
mechanism options to IKEv2 via existing frameworks: either EAP or the
GSS-API.

Nico
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