Re: DHCPv6-PD is fine

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

Barbara,

On 10-Nov-20 06:38, STARK, BARBARA H wrote:
>>> But in other places, automobiles for example, one must use the existing
>> cellular networks.  DHCPv6-PD is not fine there.  It's not FUD.
>>
>> Just to clarify ...
>> From what I've been reading in this thread, in the mobile world the problem
>> isn't DHCPv6-PD, but the cellular world having not adopted it, or even
>> blocked it (ref discussion of mobile modems blocking DHCP packets).
>>
>> For clarity, is there a problem with DHCPv6-PD, or is there a problem with the
>> mobile world not supporting it for whatever reason ?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that if it's the latter, then the response to "it doesn't work,
>> we need to change something" is that you need to go to the mobile industry
>> and tell them to fix their ****.
>>
>> My 2d worth, Simon
> 
> Please don't take this personally, but, IMO, this is exactly the attitude that has
> brought us to this point. The IETF participants think IETF is in a position to dictate 
> and think they know better how to operate and deploy a network than the
> operators. Availability of equipment that implements features, complexity
> of legacy OSS/BSS systems, and complexity of deploying multiple methods
> of configuration (to make everyone happy) are 100% irrelevant and operators
> should simply spend whatever amount is needed to do exactly what IETF dictates.
> 
> I've suggested engaging and collaborating with other SDOs where operators
> prefer to do their work. But that suggestion clearly has no support here.

The problem there is what it's always been: the underlying motivations of
SDOs with paid-up membership models are different from the IETF's. The IETF
literally doesn't care about the profit margins of operators; it's perhaps
unintentionally slightly oriented towards the profit margins of vendors.
But "make the Internet work better" and "The Internet is for End Users"
are not in the least oriented towards operators' profit margins.

That really does make for a tussle rather than collaboration. It would be
great to achieve collaboration but I'm not sure how it can be done.

If we can show convincingly that /48 to the end user is good for
the operators' profit margins, that would help.

   Brian