Re: DHCPv6-PD is fine

Havard Eidnes <he@uninett.no> Mon, 09 November 2020 21:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: DHCPv6-PD is fine
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>>>> From what I've been reading in this thread, in the mobile
>>>> world the problem isn't DHCPv6-PD, but the cellular world
>>>> having not adopted it, or even blocked it (ref discussion of
>>>> mobile modems blocking DHCP packets).
>>
>> Is this lack of flexibility for all intents and purposes
>> imprinted into silicon?  That would ... be an extremely effective
>> road-block for practical deployment if one wanted to make a
>> change where DHCP should additionally be used.
>
> I'm having trouble envisioning how this would even be possible.
> Is there an IP stack on the chip that has a firewall in it that
> blocks DHCP? This woud be surprising. Why would they go to that
> effort?

I can't claim first-hand knowledge on that point; someone who has
should speak up.  If I recall correctly the claim made was that it had
to do with the "mobile modem" implementations in common use.

Regards,

- HÃ¥vard