Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4443
Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Tue, 17 August 2010 11:54 UTC
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Hi, Pekka, >> It is clear that there is one more action done on the packet with >> RFC4443. But this has no impact on shipping ASIC based routers. It >> is difficult to say though if some smaller routers could be >> impacted. > > This, and what Ole Troan wrote on interface lookup, is interesting. > > RFC4443 requires checking that destination address matches the subnet > prefix. Is this the hot issue? > > Note that pingpong-00 document did not have this requirement; AFAICT, it does. It says: "....and the destination address on the packet seems to be on-link (in terms of Neighbor Discovery) on the point-to-point interface". Or am I missing something? > the > specification was different (incoming/outgoing interface). Does this > have different implications on the feasibility of implementation? It seems that the point is not really that of reduced performance, but rather that complying with this requirement would require a change in the silicon? If that's the case (i.e., no real performance implications), then it looks like an appropriate fix for this issue. -- which does not necessarily argue against /127 prefixes, as there are other reasons for using them (or, put another way, let's not correlate *this* with the fight over /127 prefixes). > FWIW, "Packet may be forwarded back on the received interface" is > actually, AFAIK, used in certain PE routerscenarios where you ping > yourself over a p2p link. Is the echo request/response really forwarded back on the received interface? (isn't the *response* that is forwarded back on the received interface?) Thanks! Kind regards, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 prefix… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Gert Doering
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Olivier Vautrin
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… James Joyce
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4443 Pekka Savola
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Truman Boyes
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christian Huitema
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- RE: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Olivier Vautrin
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Pekka Savola
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Mark Smith
- RE: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Miya Kohno
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fred Baker
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Joel Jaeggli
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fred Baker
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Olivier Vautrin