Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4443
Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> Wed, 18 August 2010 06:09 UTC
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From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>
Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4443
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Fernando Gont wrote: > AFAICT, it does. It says: "....and the destination address on the packet > seems to be on-link (in terms of Neighbor Discovery) on the > point-to-point interface". Or am I missing something? Yes, you're right. I was not reading the text carefully enough. (Though "is on-link" vs "is of the same subnet prefix" are semantically two subtly different checks. Not sure if it matters in this case.) > It seems that the point is not really that of reduced performance, but > rather that complying with this requirement would require a change in > the silicon? > > If that's the case (i.e., no real performance implications), then it > looks like an appropriate fix for this issue. -- which does not > necessarily argue against /127 prefixes, as there are other reasons for > using them (or, put another way, let's not correlate *this* with the > fight over /127 prefixes). This issue was initially brought up by Google IPv6 presentation, proxying Juniper's statements, so it would probably best if either of them could clarify. >> FWIW, "Packet may be forwarded back on the received interface" is >> actually, AFAIK, used in certain PE routerscenarios where you ping >> yourself over a p2p link. > > Is the echo request/response really forwarded back on the received > interface? (isn't the *response* that is forwarded back on the received > interface?) You're probably right. I was likely confused on how this is actually done, and right now I can't find any written references on the "p2p self ping" troubleshooting technique I seem to recall. Olivier's note about the different scenario may still apply. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 prefix… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Gert Doering
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Olivier Vautrin
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… James Joyce
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4443 Pekka Savola
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Truman Boyes
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christian Huitema
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- RE: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Olivier Vautrin
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Pekka Savola
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Mark Smith
- RE: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Miya Kohno
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fred Baker
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Joel Jaeggli
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fred Baker
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Olivier Vautrin