Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4443
JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉 <jinmei@isc.org> Tue, 17 August 2010 18:09 UTC
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From: JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉 <jinmei@isc.org>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>
Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4443
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At Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:02:07 -0300, Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> wrote: > >> It is clear that there is one more action done on the packet with > >> RFC4443. But this has no impact on shipping ASIC based routers. It > >> is difficult to say though if some smaller routers could be > >> impacted. > > > > This, and what Ole Troan wrote on interface lookup, is interesting. > > > > RFC4443 requires checking that destination address matches the subnet > > prefix. Is this the hot issue? > > > > Note that pingpong-00 document did not have this requirement; > > AFAICT, it does. It says: "....and the destination address on the packet > seems to be on-link (in terms of Neighbor Discovery) on the > point-to-point interface". Or am I missing something? (Aside from what is actually documented in the RFC/draft) the additional check about on-link-ness or subnet matching was intentionally added and that's what we implemented for KAME/*BSDs. See, e.g., http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/netinet6/ip6_forward.c?rev=1.68&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup (around the comment beginning with "If the incoming interface is equal...") As commented, we wanted to separate an inevitable loop with a valid configuration from loops due to configuration/operational/implementation errors (most typically a temporary routing loop). We'd rather catch the latter type of error easily with usual diagnostic tools such as traceroute so that we can find and fix it quickly. --- JINMEI, Tatuya Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 prefix… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jeroen Massar
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Gert Doering
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Olivier Vautrin
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… James Joyce
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4443 Pekka Savola
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Seiichi Kawamura
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Fernando Gont
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Truman Boyes
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Ole Troan
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christian Huitema
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- RE: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Olivier Vautrin
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Pekka Savola
- Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Mark Smith
- RE: draft-ietf-ipngwg-p2p-pingpong-00.txt vs RFC4… Miya Kohno
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… sthaug
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Miya Kohno
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fred Baker
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Jared Mauch
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Joel Jaeggli
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Randy Bush
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fred Baker
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Christopher Morrow
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Mark Smith
- Re: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Fernando Gont
- RE: ping-pong phenomenon with p2p links & /127 pr… Olivier Vautrin