Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//draft-jiang-v6ops-semantic-prefix-03
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On 6/8/13 4:17 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> 2. Comcast only appears to have a /29 and a /28 (2001:558::/29, 2601::/28). That's only 1.5M /48s, and they have about 10x that many customers. They likely can't use /48 plus semantic prefixes, because if ARIN doesn't accept "semantic prefixes" as using space efficiently (and word from ARIN on this thread seems, well, negative on the matter), then they won't be able to get more space from ARIN. That means that there is a fundamental tension between using semantic prefixes and giving more address space to customers. >> > It also means that Comcast has a dramatically undersized allocation and will most likely be depriving their customers. Wierdly, I know them not to been fools. one observation that can be made about larger assignments made at a later time is that: A. they have been at this a long time and thinking/application has need a long time in coming. B. They're managing their resource assignment. > Owen > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//draft-j… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Duncan, Richard (Jeremy)
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… George Michaelson
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Tim Chown
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Ray Hunter
- RE: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Sheng Jiang
- Re: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Duncan, Richard (Jeremy)
- RE: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Sheng Jiang
- Re: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… George Michaelson
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Ray Hunter
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- RE: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Sheng Jiang
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Qiong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Martin Millnert
- RE: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Sheng Jiang
- Re: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Tim Chown
- RE: Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//dra… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Martin Millnert
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… bingxuere@gmail.com
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Shane Amante
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ralph Droms
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ralph Droms
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ralph Droms
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… manning bill
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sander Steffann
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… manning bill
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Vízdal Aleš
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Andrew McGregor
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… manning bill
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… manning bill
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Andrew McGregor
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ivan Pepelnjak
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… George Michaelson
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… joel jaeggli
- Re: Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than l… Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… manning bill
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- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… manning bill
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ivan Pepelnjak
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Vízdal Aleš
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… John Mann
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- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… manning bill
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sander Steffann
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- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Vízdal Aleš
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
- RE: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Manfredi, Albert E
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- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Sheng Jiang
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- Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locat… Ted Lemon
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