Re: Informed regulator about the shorter-than-64 necessity on 3G/4G/5G

Simon Hobson <linux@thehobsons.co.uk> Thu, 21 January 2021 09:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: Informed regulator about the shorter-than-64 necessity on 3G/4G/5G
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Yucel Guven <yucel.guven@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "There is too big a power differential between the cellular user that want to be able to have multiple subnets and the telcos for free market economics to work."
> 
> More explicitly?  Do you mean that cellular operators 'do not want you share your internet connection'  for free market economics to work?

There is that. My "gut feeling" from observation is that cellular operators don't (or didn't) want users to be sharing the connection - that means you are not paying them a separate fee for each device that's using bandwidth. I can't speak for the US market, but here in the UK it does seem that the attitude has changed over the years - possibly an acceptance that the worms are well clear of the can and aren't going back in.

And even though we have (I believe) a significantly more competitive market over here, there is still the situation that all the operators offer a similar  or even identical service regarding technical things like this - so the user has no "free market power" to move to an operator that does offer a better service. Until one operator breaks ranks, then as a group they hold ALL the power regarding technical operations - the user has one simple choice, take it or leave it. And as things stand, there doesn't seem to be any incentive for any operator to break ranks.

Simon