Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)
Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Fri, 10 September 2010 13:41 UTC
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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
Subject: Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Jari Arkko wrote: > Host support is important because that is an area where neither the > IETF, any single vendor, or the DSL operators have any easy way to > change the situation. But it is of course by no means the only > constraint. The operators have their issues as well. Even though they > are in control of their own networks, they probably want to keep their > underlying L2 network architecture as it is, despite introduction of > IPv6 or other new features. Reading draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt I read this as an "dhcp option 82"-analogy in the IPv6 SLAAC world. Please correct me if I'm wrong. We are using the deployment model where this is applicable, and the concept seems like it makes sense for using SLAAC in this deployment model (I wouldn't really want to, but it might be nice in case of lack of DHCPv6 support in end nodes). Some questions though, on the interface on the edge router towards the access node (which will receive the tunneled RS packet), it seems there should be a recommendation for the edge router to not accept untunneled RS, or at least a recommendation that a knob for this behaviour should exist? If the interface is only used for customer traffic then there should never be an untunneled RS packet if the access node is correctly configured? Also, in 5.1 perhaps there could be a clarification that the new packet is still a RS packet, it took me a few readings before I understood that part? (did I understand it correctly?) I'm still uncertain, there is text about "tunneled packet" and I was looking for the layout of this packet, and then I deduced that it's probably RS packet with added option header? I like that the fields are TLV, makes for easy extension in the future. Should perhaps the "option length" be more than 0-255, perhaps 16 bits instead of 8? Has the SAVI WG been involved or seen this draft before? I can see some recommendations that they need to implement as well, such as disallowing LIO packets from the end customers (drop on floor or replace), rate limiting the RS packets per second from the end users, etc. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Wes Beebee
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs… Brian Haberman
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Behcet Sarikaya
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Sri Gundavelli
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Sri Gundavelli
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Fred Baker
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Ole Troan
- AW: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Olaf.Bonness
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available Hesham Soliman
- Re: draft-gundavelli-v6ops-l2-unicast WGLC Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Brian Haberman
- Re: draft-gundavelli-v6ops-l2-unicast WGLC Brian Haberman
- RE: draft-gundavelli-v6ops-l2-unicast WGLC Hemant Singh (shemant)
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Alan Kavanagh
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Wojciech Dec
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Alan Kavanagh
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Ole Troan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Ole Troan
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Alan Kavanagh
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Wojciech Dec
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Alan Kavanagh
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Ole Troan
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Alan Kavanagh
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Brian Haberman
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Wojciech Dec
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Thomas Narten
- RE: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Soininen, Jonne (NSN-FI/Espoo)
- Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… jouni korhonen
- AW: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6ma… Olaf.Bonness
- New version available (Was Re: Consensus call on … Suresh Krishnan
- RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call … Suresh Krishnan
- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Wojciech Dec
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Thomas Narten
- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Wojciech Dec
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available Mark Smith
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- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Wojciech Dec
- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Thomas Narten
- RE: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Alan Kavanagh
- Re: New version available Mark Smith
- RE: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Alan Kavanagh
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Thomas Narten
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- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Ralph Droms
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Thomas Narten
- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Ralph Droms
- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Ralph Droms
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
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- Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Suresh Krishnan
- RE: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus c… Laganier, Julien
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… JOSHI, SHRINIVAS ASHOK (SHRINIVAS ASHOK)
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Doug Barton
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Mark Smith
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Ralph Droms
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Laganier, Julien
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Doug Barton
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Doug Barton
- Re: New version available sthaug
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Thomas Narten
- Re: New version available Joel M. Halpern
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Ralph Droms
- Re: New version available Doug Barton
- Re: New version available sthaug
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Wojciech Dec
- Re: SLAAC or not Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Mark Smith
- Re: New version available Brian E Carpenter
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Laganier, Julien
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- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… JOSHI, SHRINIVAS ASHOK (SHRINIVAS ASHOK)
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… JOSHI, SHRINIVAS ASHOK (SHRINIVAS ASHOK)
- Re: New version available Fred Baker
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… JOSHI, SHRINIVAS ASHOK (SHRINIVAS ASHOK)
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available Fred Baker
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Alan Kavanagh
- Re: New version available Fred Baker
- Re: New version available sthaug
- Re: New version available Mark Smith
- Re: New version available Christopher Morrow
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available Christopher Morrow
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
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- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Fred Baker
- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available sthaug
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- Re: New version available Tina TSOU
- RE: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: New version available Maglione Roberta
- Re: New version available sthaug
- AW: New version available Olaf.Bonness
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Jari Arkko
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available Wojciech Dec
- Re: New version available t.petch
- Re: New version available Doug Barton
- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Mark Smith
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Doug Barton
- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Ralph Droms
- RE: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Laganier, Julien
- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Mark Smith
- Re: AW: New version available Randy Bush
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Suresh Krishnan
- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: New version available Fred Baker
- Re: New version available Randy Bush
- Re: New version available Fred Baker
- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Fred Baker
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available (Was Re: Consensus call… Jari Arkko
- Re: New version available Brian E Carpenter
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Mark Smith
- Re: SLAAC or not sthaug
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- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: SLAAC or not [Re: New version available] Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: New version available Randy Bush
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- RE: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again Hesham Soliman
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- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again (was: New version … Rémi Després
- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again (was: New version … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again (was: New version … Rémi Després
- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again (was: New version … Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again (was: New version … Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again (was: New version … Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again (was: New version … Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: New version available Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again (was: New version … Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: DHCPv6 vs ND strikes again Arnaud Ebalard
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