Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Wed, 26 February 2020 19:45 UTC

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From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 20:44:52 +0100
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Subject: Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea
To: Sander Steffann <sander@retevia.net>
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Hey Sander,

No worries ... three IPv6 musketeers have already presented themselves well
to this discussion. This was just one more demo of it. No need to apologize
- at least me :)

And while you can call someone's opinion the way you like - the fact that
SRv6 builds on top of IPv6 does not make it automatically IPv6 extension.

My perhaps subtle point was that while politically it has been sold like
minor IPv6 extension from technical point it does not need to be
positioned like one. The sole fact that it reuses the same ethertype does
not make it an extension.

Now as I have already been through my round of circular explanations in the
previous months - now I just sit and watch how it goes round and round
again.

Best,
R.,


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:22 PM Sander Steffann <sander@retevia.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> >> Regardless if folks agree or not with that SRv6 is a new data plane.
> SRv6 != IPv6 that's obvious.
> >>
> >> It also does not attempt to *extend* IPv6. It reuses some IPv6 elements
> and makes sure non SRv6 nodes can treat the packets as vanilla IPv6, but
> that's it. With that in mind all of this going back and forth between
> SPRING and 6MAN to me is triggered by wrong positioning of SRv6 as a new
> transport.
> >
> > This is completely bogus. SRv6 is not a new L3 protocol that just
> happens to be compatible with IPv6. That is insane BS.
>
> I have been told by good friends that my language was inappropriate. It
> probably is, but I'm not going to apologize for it. I and others have tried
> the polite way unsuccessfully and are still ignored by the authors. This
> has been going on for far too long, and if it's necessary that someone
> stops being polite and call it out then I'll be the one to do it.
>
> Cheers,
> Sander
>
>
>