Re: To DAD or not to DAD?

"Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com> Thu, 26 February 2015 13:34 UTC

Return-Path: <evyncke@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C301A0110 for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:34:54 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -14.511
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dN09nxtoQMK6 for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:34:49 -0800 (PST)
Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57F941A00E0 for <6man@ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:34:48 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2702; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1424957689; x=1426167289; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=EtyekTh/68jx1GBS5OBgwa9aQvOJcpHDzZBvC2QkhIw=; b=iVNc2xRBnGWLRgUJsrCZY2Z+omJuEbzj3PWlDAxa/pd0PxL1kTNeY5Lw 9Krv24X+X1F6oOWwcOg0KQbVAqSp5+5fi0fdBItdDdINdxbpek3Wnoxs1 g0qYIYm4tWvXeMhnQoGDK6x63eYnqd6+63wIYTCWNTWQDndHnYO/bb/5d o=;
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0C7BQAeIO9U/4MNJK1bgwJSWgSDBb5yCoVwAhyBBU0BAQEBAQF8hBABAQICAQEBIBE6GwIBCBoCJgICAiULFRACBAESCYgmDbw5mXgBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEagSGJcoQMEQEdGCKCaIFDBYVsigODYIVlk0kjggIcgVBvAYEBBQICFyJ/AQEB
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,652,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="127166683"
Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2015 13:34:48 +0000
Received: from xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com [173.36.12.86]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t1QDYmD1027601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:34:48 GMT
Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.138]) by xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com ([173.36.12.86]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 07:34:48 -0600
From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
To: Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org>, "6man@ietf.org" <6man@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: To DAD or not to DAD?
Thread-Topic: To DAD or not to DAD?
Thread-Index: AQHQS7OlBbpTsBIYnUm10rQhN+4id50Db7uA
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:34:47 +0000
Message-ID: <D114DEF8.3E30F%evyncke@cisco.com>
References: <54E4EC1A.3080303@acm.org>
In-Reply-To: <54E4EC1A.3080303@acm.org>
Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.6.141106
x-originating-ip: [10.55.185.73]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <875A06C02D936B42A099F41C4276CE89@emea.cisco.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/WXcnLYDqnzRJeYnsnYbcMmL3heU>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:34:54 -0000

Erik

Thanks for posting this to the list, more feedbacks/ideas then during the
WG meeting (where the beach was nearby).

From the emails on the list, it appears to me that DAD really needs to be
improved

-éric (who lost hours to spot why DAD was detecting a duplicate... Cloned
laptops had different MAC addresses but the same DUID...)

On 18/02/15 20:46, "Erik Nordmark" <nordmark@acm.org> wrote:

>
>Hello,
>
>Back in November the efficient-nd design team presented slides
>(http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-6man-11.pdf)
>and a document was produced on the DAD problems
>(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yourtchenko-6man-dad-issues/)
>
>The key questions in the design team report was what to do about DAD.
>But we haven't had any discussion on this on the list and I'd like to
>get some feedback from the WG to we can move forward.
>
>The slides offered these options:
>1. Deprecate DAD - it is expensive and duplicates are not common
>2. Only send and receive DAD for manually configured addresses
>3. Improve DAD
>  3a. Better at detecting duplicates (partition-join, etc)
>  3b. Less network and host impact (allow sleep schedule)
>4. Do nothing a. aka go to the beach ;-)
>
>The 3a vs. 3b implicitly refers to the list of issues in
>draft-yourtchenko-6man-dad-issues.
>
>Given that the beach is kind of cold this time of year, we can remove
>the 4th choice from the list.
>More seriously, the WG needs to decide how to move forward with DAD.
>
>Would it be helpful to present draft-yourtchenko-6man-dad-issues in
>Dallas? Or can we have an email discussion without/prior to such a
>presentation?
>
>Regards,
>     Erik
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>IETF IPv6 working group mailing list
>ipv6@ietf.org
>Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6
>--------------------------------------------------------------------